New Device needed. An American Made Atty

[spivey]

If your talking about redesigning the atty, why not redesign the entire atty/cart design?

I know PS doesn't recommend using carts, but the fact is a lot of us do. And one of the biggest complaints is finding that ideal cart filler. I think I've seen this discussed at ECF, but the whole problem could be rectified by flipping the order of the cart and atty. Right now juice has to drip down into the atty to vaporized and the inhaled back the opposite direction. I someone can up with a atty/ cart combo that brought the liquid up into the atty, then through inhaling continues to draw the vapor past the atty most issues (flooding, dry burning) would be solved. Cartos kinda solve this, but they cannot be maintained like and atty can; plus there is a lot of quality loss using those.

[Zeybrin]

Well so far we have been using a small coil to heat the liquid into a vapor... is there any way to turn the liquid into a fine vapor without using an element that wouldn't scorch the flavor? interesting things to think about... Like sound... Much like an actual humidifier/vaporizer... Although there probably isn't a way to make them small enough...

Idk... Just food for thought.

[New_World]

american made attys. maybe PS will go down in the history books for this one.

[DJ Colburn]

Zeybrin, believe it or not, the original design of the e-cig was that the liquid would be vaporized with high-frequency vibration, instead of heat. For one reason or another, this design was scrapped for the heated atomizer we know today. If this is possible with the mod-style devices we have out there that can pump out 900 mah, then more power to us! My worry is that it would take much more drain from the battery, making it a much less viable alternative.

This is the future of Pure Smoker. USA-made devices. USA-made juices. USA-made atomizers. No more reliance on Chinese products. No more customs-seized shipments. Made in the USA, bought in the USA. Now I'm no crazy gun-toting truck-driving flag-waving uber-patriotic American, but I do believe in supporting the little guy, and buying local products. It's about time!

In case you haven't guessed, I'd buy these in a heartbeat.

[Rob]

Yeah don't forget it has to be cost-effective.
The way they are now are plentiful, replaceable, and easy to make cheaply.
I kinda like it this way- but if we could make a BETTER QUALITY one that'd last longer for around 20 bucks (like steve said) that would be alright with me too

[DJ Colburn]

Yeah don't forget it has to be cost-effective.

I guess that depends on what you mean by "cost-effective." Was smoking cost-effective? While I'm glad that vaping is cheaper than smoking, by leaps and bounds, I switched because of the health benefits. If vaping was as expensive as smoking, would we still vape? *shrug* Just throwing that out there.

[Sorokahdeen]

I disagree:

We do have the manpower, it's just standing around idle because the current economic situation makes using U.S. Labor more expensive than using Chinese Labor and shipping things here. This doesn't mean that a U.S.-made atomizer would be an economic disaster for the manufacturer, far from it. The proof of that is the fact of this forum: an American company makes e-smoking devices that Americans prefer to Chinese Devices that can be had for a LOT less. If initial cost were the only consideration in e-smoking purchases, PureSmoker would not be expanding; it would have gone out of business quite some time ago.

The second point is a matter of thinking outside the Chinese factory box. The Chinese labor cost and exchange rate mechanism is a powerhouse combination when it comes to cranking things out, but part of the cost of this is stagnation. Why spend R&D costs when you can carpet the world in dead atomizers and make a buck while doing it?

The thing the original poster misses is the possibility of quality selling in an innovative design possibly coupled *with* foreign labor. Like many here, I use high-voltage devices and run through atomizers as if they were chewing gum because atomizers use a heating coil that burns out quickly under what for me is normal use. I estimate that this will cost me hundreds of dollars a year even with volume discounts. I personally would be more than happy to pay the same amount for more dependable atomizers just as I was willing to shell out for high-end e-smoking devices instead of buying a steady stream of Joye 510 batteries.

The heating coil in a ceramic cup under a metal mesh wick is not the only way of heating liquid in a confined space. There are other principles, materials and techniques and the right one would certainly make me and many others vote for them with our money—give me a pack of ten atomizers that will last me six months and I would consider three hundred dollars a vast discount over what I'm paying now.

As far as manufacture is concerned, another thing left out of the argument is the idea that we can't compete with Chinese labor when we can—by using it. The original poster points out, quite correctly, that Chinese labor makes cheap atomizers more efficiently than we can dream of, but considering the legal situation in the U.S. with respect to e-smoking, it might very well be practical to design an atomizer as a set of parts that were made in China that were then assembled here in the United States.

This would carry the twin benefits of getting the parts inexpensively while going under the FDA's radar by buying electronic components instead of e-smoking devices.

When all is said and done, there is no reason why someone, somewhere shouldn't make a pile of money on high-quality atomizers: all they have to do is design and make them and our brothers in industry in China will be more than happy to help.

i know this has been a huge topic, and it has been mentioned many times, that the US just doesn't have the manpower to make them, at least in a financially viable quantity. the Chinese pump them out in factories thousands at a time, for dirt cheap, and we buy them dirt cheap.

how much does one think it would cost to employ say, a hundred people and rent a factory to sit around and make atomizers? certainly more than an independent "from the basement" vendor can afford.

(basement not intended as an insult nor directed at Steve, most US vendors run shop from their homes and don't have the capital for an endeavor like that)

now, if someone charges say, $50 an atty for a better designed one made in the US, and they make like 5 a day...is that worth it?